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Sunday, February 15, 2009

Thinking About Selling as a FSBO?

Disclaimer: There are numerous links to vendors and suppliers of various services contained in the following blog. As I haven't personally had any experience with them, do not consider them as recommendations from me. They are there for informational purposes, and possible options. Please, before using any of the individuals or businesses, research them thoroughly.

Also, I would like to apologize for an annoying banner that will become attached to the top of your page on Zillow after leaving this blog. It's a Blogger thing that I haven't any control over. The only way I've found of removing it is to restart the computer. Again, I'm very sorry, and now for the actual blog.

First, are you really a good FSBO candidate? You should ask yourself a few questions, such as below, before really considering it.

1. Ladies, will you have someone available, sometimes at a drop of a hat, to help with your security when showing the house?

2. Gentlemen, how comfortable and secure do you feel about allowing strangers into your home for showings?

3. Do you have, and will you devote the necessary time for the marketing and showings?

4. Will you be available for showings at the convenience of the buyer instead of only at your convenience?

5. Are you a control freak? Someone who also is always trying to re-invent the wheel. Someone who likes to tell other people how to do their job better. Yes, those things describe me. However, that makes you good FSBO material because most REALTORS® probably would rather not have you for a client anyway. Mine got rid of me after three months. However, I had the last laugh as I sold to an unrepresented buyer for almost 20k more than where he was trying to lead me.

If you felt you answered those questions honestly and with a yes, you should probably read on, because there are more things to consider and some tips that may help.

I came across these two threads that are attached to the links below on Zillow that had some good security information on it for FSBOs. I thought I should include them here. Read the post on the second one by renfan1.

http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/FSBO-Security-Tips/243066/

http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/How-can-I-sell-my-home-without-a-real-estate-agent-company-What-is-the-process-guidelines/305451/

I sincerely believe selling as a FSBO is probably, in the vast majority of cases, going to take longer than being represented by a top notch agent. If you're in a declining market, the longer you are on the market the more your home's value drops. You have to weigh one thing against the other in deciding to do a FSBO.

Lets get one thing out of the way first. You can read in their entirety the studies attached to the links below if you like, but their findings basically state that REALTORS® do not net the seller more.

http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~ane686/research/fsbo.pdf

http://www-siepr.stanford.edu/papers/pdf/06-41.pdf

You might want to note that the Northwestern study was done in the Madison, Wisconsin market, which if not the strongest, is one of the strongest FSBO markets in the country.

If you do decide to do a FSBO you must be a patient person and one who can stay committed. Pricing is the very, very tricky part. If you say to yourself, "Well since I am not paying a listing commission, I can sell it for x dollars cheaper." That's fine if you can stay committed as a FSBO However if you don't, and later decide to go with a Realtor, it would be very hard to then raise the price to accommodate the commission.

Initially interview 3 or 4 REALTORS® and get CMAs to at least get an idea on price, and certainly for future reference on an agent in case you do bail out. Hopefully you will end up with at least three CMAs. Of those, there could be one you really like. That's probably the one you shouldn't use. Actually if you get four, I would throw out both the high and the low. I would then average the remaining two and start there.

It has been brought to my attention that some REALTORS® choose not to leave comp info behind after the interview. My suggestion is to take your own notes on them from their information during the interview. If any object, show them the door. Hopefully, you will meet some good professionals that will leave the info behind for you to study along with their marketing plan. Those are the type you would want to represent you if you decide on representation later. During this interview try to find out the agents' views on an acceptable commission to be offered to buyer agents in your area. Also, a good question to ask is if they will do a flat-fee MLS listing for you, and ask if they have an ala carte price list available for various itemized services. After all is said and done you decide on using an agent, you might want to read this blog.

As a FSBO, once you do decide on an initial price, you must keep abreast of the changes in your market. In a down market you have to stay ahead of it to sell. You shouldn't be behind it chasing it down. While, the recent sales info on Trulia and Zillow are not going to be as complete, or up to date as the local MLS, they still may be of some help in monitoring the recent solds. Below are two links. The first is to Trulia. Simply change the city to the correct one, and the second link is to Zillow with instructions on finding recent solds on Zillow.

http://www.trulia.com/sold/Leesburg,FL/

http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/how-can-i-find-real-estate-transactions-in-the-past-3-months-for-milford-CT/314956/

Don't get too cutesy with your listing price. For example, do not list at 299,900. At 300,000 you meet the search criteria in two directions, with 300,000 being the top in one, and the bottom in another.

When selling a house, remember that you are in competition with other sellers. I think we all realize that could not be any truer than now. Your house is in a beauty contest, and is up against many agent prepared houses. In almost every case agents are more knowledgeable than you in preparing a home for sale. YOU CAN'T underestimate the value of de-cluttering and staging. THEY DON"T. The link below is to a regular poster on Zillow that may be able to help with this important issue.

http://www.zillow.com/profile/An-OrderLee-Home/

The other obvious issue is price.The main thing is to be real on price with very little wiggle room. You can always say no to a bad offer. The trick is to get an offer. There is something known as a 3/2/1 buydown that as a seller you could offer to stand apart from the crowd. I'm not necessarily recommending it, but knowing about it can't hurt, and it is an option. The first link is to an explanation of it. The second link is to a discussion on it. The third link is to a company that specializes in handling them. I do not know anything about the company. If you decide this is something you would like to offer, do your research.

http://helpingufindaway.blogspot.com/2007/07/321-buydown-mortgage-loan.html

http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/3-2-1-buydowns-vs-price-reduction-a-great-way-to-sell-your-home/46967/

http://www.321advantage.com/

The general perception agents have of FSBOs is that the homes are overpriced, and the owners they have to deal with are too emotionally attached and non-professional. In short, they are a pain in the posterior. In dealing with the agents you must try to overcome being viewed as stereotypical. Offer a co-op that is consistent with the average rate for your area. An agent posted the following advice that should be taken to heart "be clear and up front to agents bringing the buyer- one aspect of FSBO that breeds caution from buyers agents is a lack of clarity on the fee." In your ads you can add the abbreviation "CSB" with the percentage offered; e.g. 3% CSB. That's agent lingo for 3% commission to the selling broker. Yes, the selling broker. That's their term for buyer agent.

While you should definitely concentrate on agent showings, you still have to put a lot of focus on the unrepresented buyer. Do Zillow and craigslist along with every free site you can find. Zillow makes it quite easy to add your ad from their site to the craigslist site.  You will also get two listings for the price of one (FREE) as the listing will also be posted in Yahoo Real Estate.

When using craigslist it is absolutely essential to delete and re-post every week without fail. I did mine every four days. You can actually do it every 48 hours. However, be very wary of those who respond to your craigslist ad, while it's a great site to advertise, it's incredible the amount of scammers that permeate the site.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/craigslist-account-phishing-scam.shtml

http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams

The thread on Zillow attached to the following link lists numerous free online listing sites http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/Discussions/Preparing/US/4580_tid,1,2,0/FREE-Online-Listing-Websites-for-Agents-and-Owners/ and I just recently came across this one> http://www.yigdigs.com/

Whatever sites you end up using, upload as many photos as possible.

Postlets is an absolutely terrific site. Using the postlets html code makes posting to craigslist quite easy. It's basically the same procedure as the Zillow option. You can find more information on their help page:

http://www.postlets.com/info/help.php#5 

If you would like to have a virtual tour for your listing, you might want to check this company out> http://www.buildatour.com/

If you would like to build your own website, you might try> http://www.wix.com/

Now if you're really computer savvy, and good with a camera, you can blow some people's minds by making a photosynth tour>>> http://photosynth.net/

Being on the MLS is absolutely essential for getting the most exposure. I don't know anything personally about using the sites attached to the links below to get on the MLS, however I have read a very positive post by someone who used the first one. I also saw an agent give her recommendation on the site attached to the second link, and other sellers on the remaining two.

http://www.owners.com/Tools/SellerHandbook/DecideToSell.aspx

http://www.forsalebyowner.com/listing/new

http://homeworksre.com/

http://www.housepad.com/

As for as I am personally concerned, I probably would only consider an out of town source for getting on the MLS if it was free. Another reason would be if I couldn't find an agent locally that was willing to do the MLS listing for a flat rate that I felt comfortable with. There is something to be said about staying local. No matter how you get on the MLS, test it after you are on. Have a friend posing as a buyer call and email to see how it is handled. There have been reported instances of those calls being handed off to agents who just use them as leads to sell other listings. Below is some info that was supplied to me regarding flat fee services:

"Sellers need to be careful when choosing a flat fee listing service to get on the MLS. They make you put the agent's number on the yard sign and in the MLS listing. If the contract you sign says that the flat fee listing service gets the buyer's commission if THEY find the buyer, that should be a BIG red flag. When an unrepresented potential buyer calls the agent, the agent can refuse to give the buyer your contact information. Instead, the agent "finds" this buyer for you, and you wind up paying the buyer's agent commission to your flat fee broker when there was no buyer's agent. As a potential buyer, this happened to me. I called the seller directly when the flat fee broker refused to give me the seller's contact info, but many buyers would not pick up on what the flat fee broker was trying to do. I should add that I've dealt with other flat fee brokers who gladly passed me along to the seller. Not all flat fee services are the same. Be careful and READ THE CONTRACT!!!!"

When you find a buyer, and if you really become apprehensive about the paperwork, the same agent that did your MLS listing will probably do the paperwork for you for a reasonable fee if you are intimidated by attorneys. My buyer was unrepresented. I had all the necessary forms that I had gotten from a title and escrow company. We went over the necessary disclosures and hashed out a deal. I took the info to a RE attorney to draw up a contract, and contacted the title and escrow company. The buyer ordered the inspection and took the contract to his bank. The bank ordered an appraisal. We closed. Sounds simple, and it was, but obviously this is not always the case. My buyer had a letter of financing approval which is very important. If an offer comes in without one, it's essential to retain the right to keep showing the house.

There are advocates of having the house professionally inspected before putting it on the market. I was advised by an agent not to do it. Deborah Madey on this thread states the same thing. BTW, if you're in Texas, be sure to read the post also on the thread by Dennis Anderson.

House accessibility is another issue for FSBOs. Get an electronic lockbox. These are the safest, and the most widely used. One is called the Supra ibox. Check to see if one is available for rent through whatever agent or company you use to get on the MLS. You might even check with the local MLS on renting one.You can also generally buy one used on ebay. However, it will have to be re-programmed for your area. GE will do that for $25 if you send a letter (must be on business letterhead) from both the old MLS and the new one giving permission for the re-programming. You may call 1-800-545-9601 for more info. If all this seems too complicated, just opt for the Supra C-3 push button (see first link), or the Ryobi model available online from Home Depot (second link),and change the combination regularly. It obviously goes without saying to do everything possible to protect easily removed valuables when allowing strangers into your home, particularly when those strangers are not being monitored by you, and just the showing agent instead.

http://www.sanzospecialties.com/index.cfm?action=cat.prodInfo&productID=33&categoryID=59

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=100671272&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=100671272&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D25X-_-100

Make sure you get a quality professional looking sign with your phone number, mls number, and stating that you are offering a broker co-op. Keep in mind that most, if not all, MLS systems have rules against "by owner" signs. Using one could cause your listing to be removed. It's definitely a good idea to use one provided by the listing service as long as it has all the info mentioned earlier. If it doesn't, make sure that you have an additional one made stating "broker co-op," or use the "CSB" abbreviation with possibly even the percentage stated, as well as anything else that would be missing. Never leave your home without rolling the home phone over to your cell phone. Have a good RE attorney ready, and a title and escrow company picked out.

If you have a showing by an agent and you are home, stay out of the way, but available for questions. The agent doesn't need, or want your help with the client. Remember if you have an electronic lockbox, or even a push button, there may be showings when you are not at home. These showings obviously should only be done by verified agents using their key card for lockbox access. However, if you are using a push button you must be doubly sure who you give the combination out to, and change it afterwards. A good way to verify that it's an agent that's calling is to request that a confirmation is done from the office using the agency's phone with the published number. After receiving that call, note the caller ID listed number, and check the number against the one on their site, or in the phone book.

You should have information lists available suitable for handout, with all the pertinent info such as age of the roof, furnace, air conditioning system, recent upgrades, and replacements. Also, It might be a good idea to have a copy of fully filled out disclosure forms available as well. While on the subject of disclosure, hopefully this doesn't apply to you> http://www.zillow.com/advice-thread/Short-Sale-and-or-Foreclosure-is-a-Material-Fact-and-Must-be-Disclosed/206315/ If it does, check out your state law concerning it.

There can always be a chance for no-shows on showing appointments. Read Don Tepper's advice to help minimize this problem on this thread > http://www.trulia.com/voices/Home_Selling/Is_there_anything_I_can_do_to_prevent_no_shows_-140822

Keep a list of all the names and addresses of people who view your home. If you eventually end up going with a Realtor, you may want to exclude them from the listing agreement. However, remember that an agent may be reluctant to spend a lot of marketing dollars on a listing where the rug could be pulled out from under them at any time. A listing on the MLS with exclusions is often avoided by buyer agents as well.

I came up with an idea for a supplemental sign to be used with your regular FSBO sign. It is to be used on days when the house is show worthy and can be done on any day of the week. You never know when an agent might be driving one of his/her clients around in your neighborhood and has a few spare minutes.
It has had mixed reviews from agents, and it should go without saying that if you use it, ID, ID, and ID.

This is worthy of mentioning again. If you do go FSBO,the sign is very important. Don't look like every other FSBO with a $10 Home Depot sign.

Probably the best addition to the "For Sale" sign is actually you. Whenever possible, spend time working out front. I had two impromptu showings while raking leaves. You would think weekend afternoons would be the best times for this to occur, but both times it was during the week. Once an agent with a client pulled up and asked, which was a very good showing, and the other was a couple on their own. The spiral staircase scared them both off though.

Another contributor to this blog brought this up:

"In addition to a professional-looking sign, professional-looking listings/ads are a MUST. This means error-free spelling, grammar and punctuation in the listing copy, as well as plenty of clear, well-lit photos. With digital cameras being so inexpensive, there is no excuse not to have photos...nice photos. I took five or six shots of each room, brought them up on the computer, and chose the very best ones."

Also, one of my favorite REALTORS® did a post some time ago about the importance of getting on the broker tour in the neighborhood. This does come from a post he did on Zillow, and I hope he doesn't mind me re-posting it here. "Getting on the broker's tour is critical. Much of the trouble that FSBOs have when trying to sell, is exposure. Agents can't show your property if they don't know about the listing, and don't have any information about it. Each agent may represented 2-3 clients who might be interested in a property like yours... so if you can expose it to a dozen agents, you've consequently exposed the house to a potential 36 viewers, who many come back. In order to be on the tour, you MUST be on the MLS, and you list the scheduled tour through it... hours must be followed exactly... each market sets their own. Call the local MLS board (or any local realtor) to find out what the times and day are in your area... and have a couple of broker's tours the first month.

If you really want to attract Realtors... (and you do!) serve some food... we're unbelievable food-whores.... it should be finger-food.. something that can easily be carried and won't mess up your house. Doughnuts, Granola Bars, Nice Cold Mini-water bottles in hot weather, cookies, finger sandwiches... individually wrapped candy... hot Starbucks coffee on a cold day... and make sure you ADVERTISE the food in the MLS.. .there's a check off box for refreshments... and a small area to describe the property... and tell them you're serving a snack!!Good luck."

A REALTOR® on Zillow that is also one of my favorites posted this:"The important thing to consider is the overwhelming number of buyers are using Realtors and in order to capture them you should try to be as realtor friendly as possible.I don't have the time to scour all the FSBO sites that are out there and seemingly newly arriving everyday. Get on the MLS. I suggest you create a very nice flyer, drop by the local offices, shake a few hands and generate the competition to sell it. Yes you will hear some of the NAR crappola, but only the bad ones will dismiss a paycheck because you are FSBO. Make me want to sell it before somebody else, including you."

Below is a link to some flyer templates.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/TC010014361033.aspx?CategoryID=CT101466191033

Along with the flyer, it might be an idea to have some agent protection forms attached. See the link below for an idea of one that was supplied by Yvette. The one she illustrated as a sample appears to be one an agent would create, however a seller could easily use most of the language and create one for the agent.

http://www.trulia.com/voices/Home_Selling/Would_this_Agreement_to_bring_Buyer_to_Non_Listed_-83119

A veteran FSBO, seller contributed the following :

"We have been successful in selling our homes FSBO the last two times. I think much of the advice here is probably pretty good - selling FSBO is not easy and definitely requires a lot of homework, but I would still do it that way because I see no reason to pay a listing agent to do something that I can do myself.I will say that both times we did pay a flat fee service to list our home on MLS, and we clearly offered a buyer's agent commission. I hate that I have to pay a buyers agent, but I just don't think there is anything out there that rivals the MLS for exposure - sad, but true.

And the first place a buyers agent will look when deciding whether or not to show my house is under the heading of 'Commission'. If I clearly state I am willing to coop, that takes a big hurdle off the table for the agent.We also do a lot of pre-sale marketing. Many photos and lots of house information passed around via email to pretty much anyone and everyone we know saying 'if you or anyone you know might be interested, please pass this attachment along, etc.' We got at least 6 showings of our current property that way - and often these are "good" buyers. "Good" in the sense that they probably already live in the area, know the area (you don't have to sell them on why your school district is better than the other one, etc), and know when they see a well priced property.

In other words, they know the context of the area. And finally, it really is all about the price. We sold our current home FSBO in less than 2 days on the market. We really thought that we could probably sit around and wait on a good buyer and get $950K in a decent market. So, we can either sit here and argue that our house is worth that much, and wait a while, OR we can price it aggressively and actually SELL the house and get on with our lives. We obviously chose the later.

Am I sitting here wishing I could have gotten more for the house ?- NO! I'm thrilled that I don't have to keep it spotlessly clean (with 3 kids and 4 pets underfoot), and that I can now move forward with making offers on whatever will be my next home with nothing holding me back. I know that there will be 'bumps in the road' on even the cleanest contract - home inspections, small repairs, etc., but we now have two parties very interested in making the deal go through, so those things can almost always be worked out. Good luck."

Below is a link to some information of importance in dealing with buyers that I found on Zillow.

http://www.zillow.com/wikipages/Negotiating-Goals-for-the-Seller/

Below is a link that could help in preparing a counter offer.

http://www.sell-my-house-fsbo.com/real-estate-counter-offer.html

When we found our buyer, or better put, our buyer found us, I really didn't even have a clue what to do about earnest money. So you won't have the same issue, the link below should help.

http://www.trulia.com/voices/Home_Selling/Where_Is_Earnest_Money_Held_-223463

A major hurdle that's cropping up more and more is the house failing to appraise. The link below has some worthwhile information attached to it concerning this issue.

http://homebuying.about.com/od/financingadvice/qt/053107LowApprsl.htm

Here is some possible info that you may get that I have read before to encourage FSBO's to use Realtors:

"80% of For Sale By Owners end up listing with a professional; 10% sell on their own 10% decide not to sell.

Rebuttal: There is no doubt that a greater percentage of represented homes come to a successful sale and close. However, keep in mind that the numbers given are most probably coming from a biased source, and secondly these studies are based for the most part on MLS listing information. I for one, never even had our house on the MLS while doing a FSBO and still sold. You can just about bet your bottom dollar those type of transactions are not considered very often in arriving at those percentages. Also, the math doesn't begin to add up. Even just going with the NAR's latest survey (The 2009 National Association of Realtors® Profile of Home Buyers and Sellers), their deinition of a FSBO (those that have not used a flat-fee service) accounted for 11% of the sales. For only 10% of the original number of FSBOs to account for 11% of the sales that would mean that better than 90% of all sellers started out as FSBOs- .10/.11.

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"A national survey of home sellers showed that homes listed by Realtors average selling for16% MORE than those sold without."

Rebuttal: The NAR survey that is generally referred to does go on to point out that if you take out FSBO sales where there was a friend or acquaintance involved in the transaction and just look at transactions in the open market the percentage is tighter. You also notice that the words "selling for" are used. This does not address the agent's commission that is taken off the top of that number, nor does it address the fact that a vast majority of upper end houses are never listed as FSBO's, which obviously skews the numbers.

Also, the September 08 issue of Consumer Reports magazine reported that FSBO sellers are more likely to get their asking price while agents deliver, on average, a sales price that is $5,000 less than the original asking price.

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"Commissions are a deductible expense."

Rebuttal: A commission might be if you are selling at a loss and want to add to it. A commission can be if you are selling something other than your primary residence. A commission can be if your net proceeds from the sale is over $250,000 if single, or over $500,000 if married and filing jointly. The link below explains it better. The simple truth is if you have any doubt, consult a tax professional.

http://taxes.about.com/od/taxplanning/qt/home_sale_tax.htmhttp://www.trulia.com/voices/Home_Selling/Can_anyone_direct_me_to_the_new_legislation_regard-92312

In relation to the info supplied on the above link, there have been some changes to the rules described on it, which are covered in the link below.

http://www.trulia.com/voices/Home_Selling/Can_anyone_direct_me_to_the_new_legislation_regard-92312

I did recently come across what I felt to be an informative Realtor blog. There are things listed in it, other than the Realtor slant, that as a FSBO you would be well advised to take note of. I would look it over thoroughly for tips that may apply to you.

http://www.whydidntmyhomesell.com/

One REALTOR® did post this concern with FSBO's:"FSBO home owners tend to not have a grasp of the anti-discrimination laws and I've had more than one that have stated things that made me cringe in front of a prospective buyer." Given that, it might not hurt to really familiarize yourself with the info on the site connected to the link below.

http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/FHLaws/index.cfm

Another one of my favorite Realtors named Carol-lynne posted the following: In California, it is really important to make sure you have ALL the required disclosures - nineteen of them, currently - and get legal advice so you don't accidentally shoot yourself in the foot. CA contracts can be tricky!"

There you have it. About 18 months of accumulation regarding doing a FSBO. Additions are certainly welcome. Open minded REALTORS® opinions are much valued, and buyers and sellers input as well. Please do not just reply to this to bash REALTORS®. This is not what it is intended for any more than REALTORS® getting on and trying to discourage FSBO's by taking the standard NAR line.

Many thanks to those named below who have contributed to the information provided in this blog. Very little of it can be credited to me. Particularly, I wish to thank the agents who were so helpful and generous with their time.

Now after reading the credits, please scroll down to the videos (full screen available), but on your way down feel free to make a comment, and vote.

Agents:

Alan May
Evanston, Skokie, Wilmette, IL
http://www.coldwellbankeronline.com/Associate/AgentProfile.aspx?AgentID=2113&FirstName=Alan&IsFromAgentSrch=True&LastName=May&PageNum=1&RegionID=0&SortColumn=LastName&StateID=19

Anita Crum
Newport News, VA
http://www.anitacrum.com/

Carol-lynne
La Quinta, CA
http://www.carol-lynnemittelbusher.com/

Don Tepper
Fairfax, VA
http://www.solutions3dhome.com/

Jeff Konstant

Other posters:

fourier2020
geomath
headinghome
renfan1
Spec_Tater
Yvette

26 comments:

  1. Thanks for this amazingly informative document.

    Could you explain one point? A Buyer's agent gets a commission from the buyer. Are you saying the seller should also pay the buyer's agent something? And that the seller should announce this on the sale information/sites etc.?

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  2. anon, yes, he's saying that you should offer the coop or shared commission portion given in the traditional arrangement in order to drive more buyers agents to bring their clients to your house. If not, then they get 6k (on a 200k house) for selling their buyers on a traditional listing rather than on your house. That's a pretty big incentive not to show your house.

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  3. wow, that was a long way to get down here... but it sure looks nice to me.

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  4. 1st anon,

    Yep, 2nd anon pretty much nailed it.

    2nd anon,

    Thanks very much for covering for me. Especially as well written, and on the mark your answer was.

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  5. Putting this blog on my Favorites to reread. Awesome! Thanks.

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  6. Rockinblu you're my hero (on several sites).

    You keep the realtors and agents in check.

    I'm doing a FSBO this coming spring. I read this blog often.

    I was at Camp Mabry last August helping the 36ID prepare for their trip to the IZ. Austin is a great place.

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  7. Hey thanks so much for the kind words, and much more than that, for your service. Rock on!

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  8. This blog is the best summary for FSBO options, I've found so far, thank you!

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  9. You're very welcome, and thank you for the kind words.

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  10. I'm glad you liked it Tni, and thanks for the input.

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  11. This is a super post. I have sold a couple properties FSBO in the past but that was most likely due to favorable market conditions vs. my skill. I am trying to sell another now for my parents (http://www.mymuskokacottageforsale.com) and this blog post will certainly help.

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  12. rmcaleer,

    Great looking cottage, and website. Good luck on the sale.

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  13. This is very thorugh and helpful information for Owners trying to sell homes on their own. I think it's great!

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  14. Thanks Priscilla.

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  15. We are getting ready to sell without an agent. Regarding a CMA, we are well versed in the comps in our unique area and what we thought we'd prefer to contacting an agent for the purpose of a CMA, is to have an appraisal done of the property as though it was being considered by a mortgage company. This would seem more accurate in the current climate anyway. I know realtors in our small town who haven't a clue about comps.

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  16. Nice work...I am impressed with the amount of detail and information. In your opinion...what is a reasonable CSB...we have used 1% in past...which on a 550000 is still a good deal of money in my opinion.

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  17. Wow!! You must have had a very bad experience with a Realtor? I find it funny that you recommend going to a Realtor to get a CMA, an opinion on what to pay a buyers agent, paying to get on MLS, getting on board tour ect.. In addition you advise to get quality signs($), quality brochures($) and advise that to be a successful FSBO expect many hours marketing and showing the home. And you still think it's better to not utilize a Realtor?? I know you don't buy the NAR statistics but how much more do you think a seller ends up making? Especially if you recommend getting on MLS and board tours because then the chances are very high that you will ultimately be working with a Realtor and paying them 3% (if they aren't stupid) I am a new Realtor and I amazed at the amount of work involved in selling a home! I never imagined a career in Real Estate was such a time consuming, difficult job! I have been at it for 8 months and have not made a penny! On the other hand I have spent over $3500 of my own money for MLS access and costs to market my listings.
    Here is a statistic for you - a Realtor who works 40-59 hours a week makes an average of $40,000 a year! Boy what a bunch of greedy pigs we are!
    PS Find a Realtor that will price your home right(ie; use the CMA THE REALTOR spent 3-4 hours on and don't price above market value), is nice and don't listen to this guy!

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    1. can you please post a link to the study that shows realtors that work 40-59 hours per week make an average of 40K

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  18. Thank you rockinblu!

    I tried FSBO last year and had unacceptable offers, but since, I have had 2 "top selling" agents (REALTORS) and received not a single offer! So I fired myself in 1/2 the time I allowed them. SO I decided, for now, to go back to FSBO but with 15months of smarter advertising, staging, conditioning the property (it's relatively new), and PRICE. While a FSBO, I was $120K higher and had an offer I refused that was higher than the last listing price. The point is, you are on the money --don't chase the market --get in front of it else the wait gets longer.

    In any event, I am now willing to give it another 3m of me doing the selling work. I am anyway! Unlike the comment by NiceRealtor, Ive put in severe hours (100s) to maintaining, landscaping (cutting acreage) and staging/cleaning the one and working to get it out there alongside the last relator (nice guy, but still, not an offer in 6m?).

    Yes, I am offering CSB 3% - they bring the most important person to the table -- the buyer! But I am able to cut even more price off and allow for a higher value deal for the buyer, and me , in the end.

    Cheers!
    Majormaxie
    Tampa/Odessa FL

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  19. Thank you for this very informative blog!

    I was reading through the FAQ at owners.com and noticed this:

    "Whose Phone Number is on the MLS?
    The MLS listing will display both the agents contact information and in most states, yours as well. When the listing agent receives inquiries about your property, the interested parties will be directed to you to set up showings and discuss details about your property. Realtor.com does not allow seller's phone numbers to appear in their listings."

    I feel as though agents will of course only call the listing agent and I ponder if the agent would even take the time to forward my contact info or return a call if there is nothing it in for them.

    Many buyers will also call the MLS listing agent instead of me. The MLS listing agent in turn will act as the buyers agent and want a 3% commission for simply answering the phone.

    Now also note that the propertry I am trying to sell is located within a low income area. We inherited it this year. The property is only worth about $35k.

    I feel that many agents are not even interested in working with me due to the low commission. I met with a reputable agent and was advised to try to sell it FSBO to save the commission. The agent also stated that she would handle the paperwork for a flat rate fee of $500.
    This all sounded great at the time but after doing a little research I think it was just the agent telling me she is not interested in a nice way.

    If I go with a full agent and the house sold for $35k, 6% would be $2100.

    Now FSBO will cost about $400 for the MLS listing and then $1050 to the buyers agent. I would likely opt to pay a flat fee of $500 to an agent or RE attorney for the paperwork. I am actually paying more trying to sell FSBO.

    Have I missed something here?
    This real estate business seems like a scam with no way around it.

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  20. I have an issue with REALTOR.com

    I decided to try selling my property FSBO.
    The have my property listed on the website.
    Under status, they publish "NOT FOR SALE"

    This is incorrect. I emailed them requesting that they either remove my listing or correct the published status. I told them that the property is in fact FSBO. I gave them the option to change status from "NOT FOR SALE" to the applicable "NOT LISTED" or something similar.

    They responded stating that they will not change the ppublished status unless I contract an agent to list within the MLS. They also pointed out that I could find a local agent through their website.

    This is blatent fraud. They are knowingly publishing incorrect sale status for my personal property and refuse to change or remove it unless I pay their affiliated partners to do so. The status they incorrectly publish may cause economic defamation regarding my ability to sell the property.

    Now consider that they are doing this to thousands of home owners whom are selling FSBO.
    I view this as blatent fraud and market manipulation on a criminal level. I plan to persue and expose this further.

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  21. Sorry if there are any mistakes in this post, i am originally from Ukraine and still struggling with my english, however i am always surprised how little people know about real estate in their own country, I thinks many immigrants had to learn america in their own way and i am can look at things from different prospective, so i decided to give my opinion to this post.

    Here is what my response to all of you guys. This is not selling homes market, this is rental market. Forget about both fsbo and realtors and rent your homes out until market picks up - you will loose lots of money if you sell now. Agents will not tell you that rentals are very hot in your area since they make almost no money on posting rental homes in MLS. Most homes homes will be rented out in few days and somebody will pay off your mortgage - there is big demand in rental properties almost anywhere in the US. Renting homes is not that scary as you think. I have one property that i rent out for 3 years now to one family and i forgot how this home looks since they do all repairs themselves (i gave small rental price discount for my chinese renters to figure out some small repairs only couple of times in 3 years, head of the family is handy man). Another of my home was rented out in 1 day, very nice family lives in my house that takes care of it better than i ever did - I did not even attempt to sell it, since i am licensed realtor myself and knew that my home will be rented out in few days (that is why you need MLS, guys, to rent out or sell faster, since there will be buyers agents the same day you will post your home into MLS to get their commissions) If you look at your rental listings in your area so many rentals are owned by realtors since they know what is the best strategy in this market - they do not sell their own homes, they rent them out, however they recommend you to sell your homes because they want your commissions - they do not care that you will loose on commissions, on closing costs, on declined value of your home and make almost no profit from the sale especially if you bought your home on peak of prices. I also own an fsbo site and give some advises there if you still decide to sell home using fsbo. I highly recommend doing flat fee MLS, since 90% of your buyers will use buyer agents which show homes from MLS. Pay buyer agents commissions, but do not pay listing agents, since all they do is list your home in MLS (basically retype data from your sheet into MLS), they do not even show your homes - buyers agents do, and you can do without listing agents setting price, showing homes and negotiations without listing agents - just find a good lawyer . For more info on flat fees read my articles at http://www.miadomo.com

    Hopefully someone will find this information useful.
    Thanks,
    Svetlana,

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  22. It is important to look for information in choosing why for sale by owner in selling your home. This way, you can come up with ideas that you will need.

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